Rev says some cool stuff here. He's in a cult now, you know. Every time i try to chat to him about antispin he just starts talking about motherships and cosmic vibration. Quite sad really. (note: this is a lie)
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
The list was cut down from my original one i posted, removing threads that were less helpful, or just duplicated advice from the other threads.
this post originally went like THIS:
Hi there
i've been thinking it'd be nice if this forum had a list of the best threads about the most commonly asked about moves (The Weave, Windmill, BTB Weave, 5bt weave, all the stuff from the HOP lessons, etc...)
i've been thinking it'd be really nice if people asking about moves were given a helpful place to go to, rather than being curtly told to "Do a Search".
The search function can be quite helpful, but it's really hard to find the most useful and relevant threads, particularly when they involve extremely common subject matter.
i don't reckon this list would stop people asking about the same old moves, but it would give us a set location to direct people to, and a set location for new advice to be offered.
So if people could post links here to really helpful advice threads about common moves then they'd make me a happy monkey
I think that ones that link to other relevant threads are particularly useful:
like Dragon07's great post in this Forwards BTB Weave thread (i know coleman did some similar helpful linking in a 5beat weave thread recently. i've been searching for it for 15 minutes now and i can't find it Anyone know where it is?)
So, all suggestions for good move advice threads will be most gratefully accepted. Now i'm off to trawl the most deepy deepest depths of this Forum looking for advice on how to do the weave. Smoke me a kipper...
flash fire
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Registered: 25/01/01
Loc: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Fantastic simian! *hands you a gold star*
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simian
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Registered: 11/10/02
Loc: London
ooh cheers, and happy birthday to you miss flash
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He did them for me. And they made me learn it (eventually). Thanks Cole!
Edit - Sorry the links won't turn into links by doing the "URL" thing.. they didn't before either.. So I've removed the tags and it seems to be a bit easier.
1) go from forwards weave to reverse weave using a 180 degree turn. As you go to turn back into the forwards weave stop after 90 degrees and raise your hands around your head/shoulders and you're there
2)try a giant windmill first to get the feeling of having the poi 180 degrees apart when they're above you
3)if you can do a simple corkscrew (2 beat methinks) gradually stand upright and the poi will be doing a windmill.
Or you could do a search - it's been talked about quite a lot. but once you get it you won't be able to understand how you couldn't do it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
simian
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Registered: 11/10/02
Loc: London
wicked stuff dude
although lets keep it simple. Using 4 poi and meteor and that kinda more obscure stuff i'm not worrying about too much (or the list of threads will be HUUUUUGE)
Its the basics that come up all the time that'd be cool to find the threads for. All the extra advice for stuff in the HoP free lessons basically.
(and since you've got the 5beat now, you should change your bio )
edit - that was written before you found the windmill stuff. Excellent work! Can you link to the place where you found fluffy's post too?
Edited by simian (27/11/0412:32 PM)
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"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
These are all the basic "batch threads" (can I coin that one?) I can find now.. although it'd be great if people could continue to post this sort of thing as and when they do/find them, and then after a while we could repost in one big, clean post.. without annoying bits like this. I've done a few bits but I've always wanted a big thread like this, pinned nice and high at the top of the forum. Searching is fine but it's such an imprecise art. Nice one Simian for putting it forward at long last!
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simian
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Registered: 11/10/02
Loc: London
many many thanks dude
i don't reckon this thread should be stuck up top, cos there'll be loads of irrelevant stuff in it.
(like the stuff i'm writing right now )
but this'll help loads for putting together a nice clean list to be posted in a new thread (or maybe sent to a friendly mod for insertion into the FAQ?)
i don't just want batch threads though. All advice threads appreciated.
i've just gone through every single thread in Poi Moves and my eyes are really sore.
still, i've found lotsa stuff (probably some duplication of your threads)
i've obviously missed some threads (particularly strangely named ones), and i know there are some in the Help! forum to find too.
And i totally forgot to look for butterfly or TTN threads (dumkopf!)
Couldn't find anything! And this is one of the only moves in the list which i personally want advice on
Anyhoo, tomorrow i'll do some more searching and stuff, add in the threads you've found, and then start looking at which threads are actually useful and which aren't.
time to go out into my garden for a well earned nicotine fix...
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simian
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Registered: 11/10/02
Loc: London
Geeky Digression
Why is HoP so rubbish at dealing with long urls?
especially seeing as any thread you go to via the search function is given an URL that's too large to fit in UBB tags.
(hence coleman's non-working 5beat links shown in the 4th post on this thread)
End of Geeky Digression
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"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
U might want to move the link's post to the top post, ie cut from 3bt weave down to frd btb 5bt and paste it in your initial post for easy finding. (That is AFTER you use ur safety net "notepad" cause we all konw what happens when u try to move to much stuff at once round here *crash*)
If your having trouble with 5bt for btb, it shouldnt take u too long, im sure u have for btb 4bt nailed? And rev 5bt? Its rather tricky to get your wrist to wrap all the way around the other, maybe u could try it without your poi, and after you know you have the motion, then work on hip work and turning. Its a little bizare, i was going straight into 7bt for btb wraps not so nice when they are on fire
simian
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Registered: 11/10/02
Loc: London
dude, i already got that link printed out in my bedroom i've never met Anna Jillings, but i think i love her
i'm not gonna bother putting those links in the top post. i'm gonna sort them out better then stuff them in a new thread. This is more of a Work In Progress thread asking others to lend a hand.
and yes, notepad is my friend
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Leif
member
Registered: 30/08/04
Loc: College Station, Texas
This sort of thing, as amazingly helpful as it is,would probably appear better as an independent page than as a thread. There will be too much reading involved, and I'm afraid it will not wind up being as resourceful as we probably would all like for it to be.
I would bet that if we pooled our efforts and compiled an organized link list of most all of the thread links we would like to have listed here, that Malcom would probably post it for us. It seems like it would be helpful for all of us and would help organize the forums a little better. Then we could just use this thread for when people can't find something that is not linked to on the list we compile. Just suggestions, Leif
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Sounds like a plan, although the page would have to be flagged up VERY heavily on the moves threads page so people don't just post without looking at it. I like the idea of a page for it all though, although the joy of it being on a post is that new threads can be added to it through user editing, which would make life easy for everyone.
Although if we get good enough threads now, there shouldn't be much need for editing in the future, as long as people actually use these resources.. newbs and the like, hopefully they'll notice the helpful threads page and make use of it!
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simian
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Registered: 11/10/02
Loc: London
my plan is to give the finished list to a (tall, blonde) site administrator so he can do with it as he will.
Dom loves it when i give him extra work to do. He really does. i can tell.
thought i'd share tonights progress with list editing. Getting rid of the unhelpful threads and so forth.
Anyhoo, comments or additions most gladly welcomed
<EDIT - list moved to top of thread>
Thats it for tonight. i'd have done a bit more, but got sidetracked by a long-time-no-see-pixie and a quest into the dark underbelly of HoP's thread numbering system.
i really should go to bed. or see a counsellor about my HoP addiction...
Edited by simian (04/12/0402:16 PM)
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simian
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Registered: 11/10/02
Loc: London
hold yer 'orses
i aint been done finished yet...
y'know, if someone else could find me advice on how to do the butterfly, and reels, then it'd get done quicker...
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simian
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Registered: 11/10/02
Loc: London
cheers dude, i'll check em out
Next couple of bits of the list:
EDIT - list moved to top of thread
Edited by simian (04/12/0402:15 PM)
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coleman
big and good and broken
Registered: 29/08/02
Loc: lunn dunn, yoo kay
or even better, make it into an article...
then simian wouldn't have to maintain it (that should be the job of the site moderators i think) and this thread could turn into a suggestion point for additions to the main article.
in future then, the search could kick up the article first for searches with terms like '5 beat weave', 'waist wrap' and so on
flash fire
Sporadically Prodigal
Registered: 25/01/01
Loc: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Written by: spiralx
Some helpful admin should sticky this...
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I really need help with BTB(Behing The back) stuff. first off i've been practicing spinning backwards and spin them in split time and did this untill I felt very confident upon how it works. But whenever I try crossing my arms behind the back the poi tangles.
I can do the btb buttefly. But that's easy. I tried different poses and tried moving and I can do it from time to time with one poi, but two beacomes very difficult.
simian
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Registered: 11/10/02
Loc: London
Try asking for help in one of the Behind the Back weave threads. That way the advice you get given might help other people too
You can find the links in the first post in this thread.
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ok, so ive heard about this move called a buzzsaw yet cannot find a thread about how to do it with poi...what is it, how do you do it and are there any movies for it? (side note, 5 minutes ago i got 5 beat weave...yay! ((big accomplishment for me)))
I apologise in advance if this is in the wrong place, but I'm confused to all buggery. Ahem. Aaanyway, I need help finding out the name of a move that I've only seen a couple of times and can't figure out how it's done, let alone describe it. It looks like you grab the chain of the opposite poi around about the middle and then kind of spin it round (isolated). It looks a bit like a buzzsaw. Actually, wait... am I describing an isolated buzzsaw? Aw hell.
What about antispin? I am trying to understand what the heck it is in the first place, and most of what I find is about how to do antispin weave or flowers. Weaves and flowers I get, but what is antispin? Are there any videos of it without the weave, and just the spin?
has anybody got any helpful tips on how to do flowers? they are anoying me, i keep asking my poi how to do it, but i found them reluctant to answer. is it just big cicles with the arms while doing little circles with the poi?
hey guys and gals. So I'm thinking about kicking it up a notch and moving to fire poi. I've been toying with the rainbow glow balls for a couple months, and prior to that I used plain old glowsticks. I've been spinning for about a year now (although I didn't spin as much as I would have liked this summer) and feel like I've plateaued in a sense. I've mastered basic weaves 2 bt, 3, 5, mexican, corkscrew, windmill (although 3bt windmill still eludes me, and I think that's one of the coolest tricks). I can do the butterfly and various butterfly related moves. It's just been linking them that I've been working with, and after a while, you just want to do something new, you know? I was wondering if you all think it's a good idea to step up to fire poi now, or if I should expand my repitoire a little more. If I do move to fire, how should I go about it? what should I get as my first head? I like the weight of the glow balls so what head will be closest in weight to that? can I just use my #13 ball chains or should I get #15s or ovals? a p message about all this would be greatly appreciated as I don't check the forums too often. Thanks for the help in advance!
I've been spinning for almost a year and a half, maybe just a year. In the year I have spent spinning poi, I've yet to pick up any single fire poi. I suggest that if you do plan on spinning fire poi, that first you do so without it lit. Just get the weight down.
Calm yourself down, teach yourself the knowledge and common-sense of the dangers.
If you would like any help with moves, I'd be glad to continue through PM.
Take care. Be safe.
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kazman
newbie
Registered: 20/12/06
Loc: Cape Town, South Africa
Hmm, everyone seems so caustious about fire poi. I started tuesday morning, by tuesday night i could i could forward 3 weave, wednesday night i was 3 weaving and normal butterfly with fire poi. It makes it so much more exciting.
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LazyAngel
in his element
Registered: 29/07/04
Loc: Cambridge UK
good for you! But that's what worked for you. I would wonder how many times you hit yourself in that time, and were they on fire at the time? If someone wants advice about fire poi, people will always say 'take your time, make sure you know what your doing, have a safety, etc.' And it's damn good advice.
No matter how many times you have spun fire, there is ALWAYS a chance that you will set yourself on fire/get tangled/etc. If you have a lot of experience, you may know what to do in such a situation, but even then some of them cannot be resolved without third party intervention. If you've just started spinning, chances are you will not know how to deal with some situations.
Everyone is just looking out for everyone else's safety. Hence the cautiousness.
Personally I like to get a move solid with sock or cone poi before attempting it with fire poi, even unlit. I use monkeyfists on ball chain and full length ropes (about an inch thick). Monkeyfists hurt like hell when they hit you, and there are some moves I just don't dare try yet with my ropes because I like my eyebrows and top layer of skin too much.
It also gives you something to work towards IMHO, as when I finally get round to nailing a move on fire, I feel really happy if I manage to get it nice and clean, because I can feel AND hear it.
sorry I've gone a bit
these threads are really helpful, well worth a read if you have the time!
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Could anyone walk me through or link me to a video or a tutorial of some sorts that tell me how to do a BTB Flower ? I heard of them, but so far they have been a myth to me, I can't wrap my head around the concept. If my arms are literally behind the back i don't have arm-length enough. Unless either of these two:
1, Doing a Butterfly BTB weave, because then you can alternate lnog arm hence making it a semi-flowery pattern
2, Doing the flower in wallplane btb, which would kinda make sense.
Hey guys, gotta question about a butterfly problem. I can do butterfly in front in both directions. I can also do a high wave alternating arms. BUT, when I try to do a butterfly beat with both arms behind my head, they tangle. Any ideas? Also! What can I be working on with my weave and turn to reverse weave? What can I use those to lead in to new stuff?
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Hey, I'm still nervous of fire poi. I think because I'm always trying new things, and I keep hitting myself. I'm going to wait until I have a routine that I can do without hitting myself a few times in a row. Then I'll go do it at the beach where there's water right next to me. Let me know if you do and how it goes Aloha, L.
i am having problems with isolated buzz saws i am really close but i cant get it for more than a few rotations with out one ether falling and it stops spinning cuz it's too slow or it dosen't stay even any tips?
Dwarf_star
"setting things on fire legally since 2004
Registered: 10/10/06
Loc: NewZealand
Light them up baby! I teach fire poi and after the 2nd month most students are lighting up, you sound like you know enough tricks just keep it basic and maybe try your first burn during the day as it can be alot more dawnting at night when the fire appears bigger. Make sure you have someone with a running hose to watch you and also there are some great tips in home of pois backyard spinners guide to fire DVD goos safety tips and it's free when you buy a set of poi. Also Sage behind the flame is a good tutorial DVD for beginners. Ball chain is good for beginners, monkey fists are too solid to start with for the first time, stick to the weka ballchain poi or a cheap set of cathedrals, get the moves with fire first, you dont need heavy poi till you get into isolations and throws. rock on and feel free to message our troupe with any questions you may have. You can visit our website at www.dwarfstar.info
Dwarf_star
"setting things on fire legally since 2004
Registered: 10/10/06
Loc: NewZealand
Buzzsaw with an isolation in it, that means your arm move around the poi in the buzzsaw instead of the poi moving in your hands, there are online lessons on home of poi for isolations but you need fairly heavy poi and to learn to buzzsaw very slowly. As for hyperloops, theyre just difficuilt, if you need to learn some advanced poi tricks I recommend buying encyclopoidia DVD from home of poi, that guy is amazing! If youre not quite at that level Sage behind the flame is a good tutorial but not as mind boggling. Checkout our site at www.dwarfstar.info
need somthing to do, i know all the basic moves and am looking for some new ones to work on, do u guys hav any tips? i hav a set of flowlights that i spin and i <3 them
ok so how i learned to butterfly was stand facing a wall get close to it get your poi going seperated and then bring them together keep your dominant hand set a half inch higher and a half inch back from your undominant so the planes r different
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Anyone know where it is?)
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not so nice when they are on fire 
And even his secret 4bt ttn videos are down 
hi...can you guys teach me how to do the high turn , tuck turn, and low wave?..
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